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I still can't stop but wonder when they are going to mention the slaughter of the mountain village to Touka. After all, with all the sense of justice she has there is no way she will condone the slaughter of civilians.

well... about that, i think it's a race/cutural/inheritance thing. They did mention that her kind does not change their minds so easily against something like that... once she believes something, she's behind a locked door.

if i remember correctly, she's a justice-type of person. just think about this: Batman's blood in a whole entire race. now that's pure justice.

But later the she will join the force of Hakuoro. So some excuses will be cooked up to convince the swordwoman to believe that the you-know-who is such a great and nice guy and give him aid in the future

not likely, but you're on the right track.

the chances are that her beliefs were false, and that she took in the wrong side of justice (in other words, that other guy just screwed around with her to make her join forces with him)

wrong side of justice? i'd say more like wrong perspective of justice. killing one another in the name of revenge is NOT justice it's pure selfishness.

Em...she's not trying to kill him out of revenge, but more like because of believing that he's a evil traitor that betrayed his people as well as slaughtering his own wife and children (but regarding that incident, I smell a set up...)

that's what i mean in "wrong side of justice". who knows, because we still don't have direct proof (yet XD) if it was wrong perspective of justice, this series would be ending sooner than i hoped not.

uhm.. i want to feel not left out..

What if she hits her head and ends up being saved by hakuoro, so in turn she sides with him because such a kind man who was fighting with her could not have done such things.

It's obvious Kuchakecha didn't tell Touka about the slaughter of innocent civilians, otherwise she wouldn't be helping them right now. If kuchakecha lied about that, who knows what else they lied about?

well she is trying to revenge those innocent people... and the soldiers are trying to do the same... what i really wanna know is, where's the newest episode

Avenging the dead and taking actions to stop more people falling victims are two different things...one is for personal grudge and the other is for justice and the well-being of others...

Those two things may cross the line over each other at times, but they are definately not the same.

why are you bashing me? im not the one who tries to be cool and take side of justice and what not. im just a viewer who says what he sees. dont kill me

course they're not the same, even justice has its own different definations and meanings. not only justice, but anything in this universe...

Relax, he wasn't bashing you, he merely gave a few counter-arguments to your opinion.

But back to the point, Touka calls Hakuoro evil for killing his wife and children. If Touka was invoilved with the massacre of the town village -which I highly doupt- then she'd be just as much of a hypocrite as the Kuchakecha soldiers.

Well, thank you for your kind words, I also did nt know Marine was a man. Yo dood, wuzzup... I am so going to die.

Touka is merely trusting Kuchakecha soldiers, assuming that Hakuoro is the evil. And, Touka would not be involved with the so called "massacre of the village" in which Hakuoro once used to live in, or else, she no longer would be the protector of justice. What kind of protector would ever kill innocent people?

the kind with the wrong perspective, such as in Vandread: sacrifice lives for the sake of Earth.

It's kinda dumb thinking about. it's like the word infinite: no matter how many times we say it, it's still un-numerable. like the possibilities of justice, it's uncomprehendable . that's why we have cops, since it seems like "sorry" doesn't cut it at all.

Well you can't say with wrong perspective of justice that easily. It may seem wrong in your eyes but it is right in hers. Lets put it this way, a guy comes in and marries your sister, then kills your sister and their babies along with dozen of other people including your friends and families. What will you do? Of course you'll try to get revenge, you ask a killer/police to do something about it. They say he was killed while he was trying to run away but his body cannot be found. After months you discover the person is still living. You turn to someone who refers to herself as a protector of justice and tell her your side of story. Now, is she truly on the incorrect side of justice? After all, we do not know whether Hokuoro actully killed them or not.

This protector of justice if fighting along a bunch who put their lives on the line to get revenge and kill the man who has betrayed them and slaughtered their friends and families. In her perspective, she is on the right side of justice.


You are right, there are a lot of possibilities of justice and it is absolutely uncomprehendable for a human to find the true justice. But it can be possible for one or group of people to find the closest idea of true justice. It's just like math, you approximate the numbers and round 'em up. 2.6 is can be 3 in the word of mathmatics. Is the answer really 3? No, is it 2.6 alone? Possibily not. Then why'd someone choose to say 3, well because we can't have three eggs now, can we?



All I'm saying is, she was not involved in that tragedy, else she would not be talking about justice while killing innocent civilians. They may have not told her about that, maybe it was all planned out and was some sort of trap. They slaughter the villegers and then attack the castle, forcing them to come after them and then ask for the protector of justice to defend and fight along side them. It can all be a mis-understanding or something. Things can only be explained as time passes us by. I'd say let's wait and see what happens in the next episode before we jump into conclusions.

i agree with you on that one. for now i rest my case .

but i am facinated on how she came to be with this "tragedy".

uhm, i really miss many things. about almost a whole page...

well, from what u guys discussing about touka, i'm not very sure about her. but one thing that i know, touka isn't kind of people who will kill without reason.

and noob, i agree with this one

I didn't read everything before but I think Hakuoro is evil too, for now, however the others could be lying too and he slaughtered those people for a reason and then fled. But if he did slaughtered them for his own benifit I wonder how they'll put the story straight. Maybe they'll base everything on his personality now.

What we hear from that guy is one-sided, and Hakuoro can't remember he himself couldn't be sure if that was the truth. But it is possible that it might had been someone that hated him killed his wife and children, and framed him for it....that's just one of the possibility though. Afterall Hakuoro is wearing a mask, and since nobody know his real face it might not be too hard for someone of the same height and hair style to just put on a mask and impersonate him...and the slaughter occured during night time, so it was pretty dark as well.